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hey guys how's it going uh welcome back

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i know i was only here yesterday but

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we're here again so thank you so much to

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everybody that's here watching live on

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youtube

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thank you to everybody watching live

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watching on youtube after the fact and

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thank you to everybody that's listening

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to this

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on the anomalous podcast network uh i

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appreciate all the support from

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everybody

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so yeah um saturday night here 10 p.m

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but i guess it's actually sunday morning

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so you know i'm really grateful to ross

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for being here

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so let's not waste any time and bring in

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mr ross coulthard hello ross

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g'day vinnie how are you sir i'm doing

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well thank you so much for doing this i

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appreciate it's morning for you so i

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hope you've had your coffee

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i have it right here with me very nice

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excellent excellent well ross i know

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that my time is fairly limited i know

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you're a busy man so if it's okay with

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you we'll just jump straight into it

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far away vinny

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excellent now the first thing i wanted

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to touch on and we don't really have to

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go into massive detail

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is a lot of the things you talk about

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have come from sources

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and and i've seen

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people talk about the frustration at

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hearing about sources but one thing i

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think we need to just keep reiterating

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is the value on source protection

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um so

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one question around that is though do

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you find that these sources

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one day hope that the information they

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give you will be able to come out either

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through you or through them

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a lot of them have told me that if and

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when the congress does something to

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allow public hearings they're very happy

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to testify uh

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i mean i literally only this morning had

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a conversation earlier today with a um

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uh one of the people who's flying

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fighter jets off the east coast of

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virginia and

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they were telling me that these objects

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have been seen by his squadron

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this year

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so whatever they are

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these anomalous objects are still

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manifesting so manifesting themselves to

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the u.s navy and uh

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they were saying that

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you know there's a there's a fairly

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broad consensus among the group of

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pilots that they work with that it's a

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really good thing that the congress is

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pushing for hearings and and i think

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also there's a change happening where

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whereas before you had people

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frightened of speaking out because they

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were worried about being ridiculed or

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vilified or stigmatized there's now a

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growing recognition that that there is a

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willingness

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led by the congress for this material to

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come forward and that can only be a good

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thing and it's actually just so you know

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it's having follow-on effects here in

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australia because

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i did a story uh back in november uh

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with the tv network i work with here in

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australia where we did a follow-up on

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our original documentary from

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june this year

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we had interviews with

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people who'd been in the military

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services who'd seen anomalous objects

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while on service with the

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australian navy and

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it's great because what's happening is

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i'm now getting people

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who've either worked historically in

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different sections of the australian

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military or indeed the new zealand

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military who are telling me that they've

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seen anomalous objects and they'd always

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kept quiet about it now they're wanting

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to talk about it and they're wanting to

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know who they should go ahead with it

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and there was one guy i was talking to

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yesterday who said to me that um

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he didn't feel comfortable going public

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or naming himself with me

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and so i said to him i said just write a

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write a report to your co how would you

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feel about that you know write a report

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to your commanding officer

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have you got any problems with that and

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no i don't really and i said well it's

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it's anomalous objects in australian

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this is williamtown just north of um

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the air vice marshal of australia's air

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force would want to know about that kind

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of stuff they don't want you holding

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back on it so it's having a positive

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effect that's my point vinnie is that

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there is a there is a change happening

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and i interviewed people in your air

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force in the british royal air force

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black triangle episodes that were

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happening over the uk and the 1980s and

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there's a slow change happening despite

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the debunkers and the skeptics it's um

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it's it's starting to happen

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yeah i can feel it i think we all can

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but i think sometimes it does bring up

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more questions and this is just when

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people get excited with

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feeling like we're getting closer to

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answers possibly now you mentioned there

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quite a few things i'd like to touch

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upon firstly the the fighter pilots off

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of virginia now you said this year so

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we're only 15 days in so that says a lot

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did they say anything

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about are they still capturing these

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things on all the sensor systems

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possibly photographs as well

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i look i know they were last year i

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stupidly i mean i'm a bad journalist

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because i didn't actually ask that

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question i was so excited that they told

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me that it had sightings um it was

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stupid of me it was a very brief

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fleeting conversation i just didn't ask

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i'm sorry no no no no it's fair enough

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i'm sure you will get the opportunity

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again in the future

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and also you mentioned there the

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the british military have you spoken to

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anyone recently from this country be it

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from the political side of things or the

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military aspects

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um uh not this not this year and um

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not in the second half of last year but

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yes i i spoke to people for um

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researching both my book and my

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documentary in

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both former and serving british military

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and also one of the things i really

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commend actually i i didn't realize the

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significance of it

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um was the incredible detail in the

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condyne report c-o-n-d-i-g-n

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it's it's an amazing document because it

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was written what nearly what 25 30 years

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yeah and um

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yeah is it is it dr david clarke or

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professor david clark

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david clark he's actually coming down

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here on thursday to speak to me again

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well i i'd doff me hat to him you know

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it was a fantastic bit of work on his

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part getting hold of that and i loved

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the story of how he procured it and

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i looked at it with nick pope in the

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british national archives after it was

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declassified and i never really had an

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opportunity to look at it then and i

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think david's now procured it and been

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able to scan it and digitize it which is

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why it's now available online

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and there's an episode in there that i

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keep on coming back to where

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in the immediate aftermath of the cold

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former soviet

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commanders in the ussr admitted to the

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british condyne investigators for their

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soviet fighter jets had attempted to

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uaps

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and that they were lost in the process

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other one the other one that um i really

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want to flag people's attention to is

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because i've got huge respect for frank

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milburn who's a former

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he basically asserted that he was told

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that there were a number of fighter jets

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from both sides of the border around

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east germany during the cold war

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lost attempting to engage

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an object or objects i think it was

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nine eight or nine jets or something it

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was an amazing figure it was a high five

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chasing it and

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up the middle of the country

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you know the idea of that many people

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being lost in one engagement and then

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the families having to be told and the

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whole thing being kept secret

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uh is mind-boggling but uh if that's

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true you know let's let's investigate it

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i mean the thing that i'm saying is that

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there are no fruitful

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loads for investigation that are now

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slowly coming to light

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the thing that really annoys me is that

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for much of the last 30 years since the

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end of the cold war

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the subject matter has been so

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stigmatized and so treated with taboo

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that mainstream media has completely

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failed to do its job properly and

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actually investigate it and yet

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as i've found and when you actually

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start digging there are people there who

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want to talk about it and who are

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actually quite happy to talk about it

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and that's what's happening to me now

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you know

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i'm

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overwhelmed with good people contacting

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me and please be patient everyone

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because i just don't have time to

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process the volume of emails that are

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coming in i've got so many people

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contacting me wanting me to talk to them

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about either their service experience or

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the sighting that they had or you know

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issues that they know about from the

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work that they're involved in and it's

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very very difficult to keep track of it

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yeah i can i can only begin to imagine

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but uh you're doing a great job so far

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and i'm sure you will continue to do so

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so thank you kudos kudos um let's switch

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it to your home country to australia

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where you reside um we recently saw

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senator peter wish wilson

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talking openly and asking serious

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questions about the subject um

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has anybody else are there whispers of

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other politicians again and military

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personnel talking since that

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that chat

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not on the record i've had phone calls

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from two staffers for one's a government

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minister and the other was an opposition

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shadow minister

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uh just wanting a briefing and and it

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was very much along the lines of

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oh roscoe

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i see you've written a book on ufos and

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you know the level of ignorance is

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breathtaking but but basically this is

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not something that's on their radar and

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uh i don't think there's a cover-up i

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really don't i mean we have a saying in

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my line of work which is never

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never ever assume a conspiracy always

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assume a screw up before a cover-up yeah

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and uh

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and i i i think what's been happening is

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there has been five eyes intelligence

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coming through and i'm told this by

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people who know

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there's been repeated intelligence

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that's being shared amongst the five

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eyes countries your country britain

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australia new zealand the us canada

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where we've been sharing intelligence on

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the phenomenon but

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when peter wish wilson who's a greens

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senator in australia and a former

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serviceman he went through duntroon

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which is our main kind of equivalent of

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sandhurst if you like so he's got some

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very good connections who are still

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under service

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when he asked a question of mel hubfeld

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who's the chief of air staff the head of

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our air force in parliament not long ago

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in a parliamentary oversight committee

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the senate estimates committee

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you know what did he know about uap

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monitoring was there any monitoring of

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uaps

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mel dealt with it

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as a pilot who's you know seen a lot of

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combat service probably would with a

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degree of irony and and was fairly

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dismissive about it

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and it's not i'm not saying mel's been

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misled i don't think he was i just don't

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think he knew the full extent to which

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there is information sharing among the

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five eyes

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but what's going to be really

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interesting is

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i'm already talking to people

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uh i've spoken to people from the

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congress who are pushing really hard for

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whatever comes out later this year

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in terms of reports to the congress to

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include

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what's known by five eyes partners

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including australia and new zealand and

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they've told me that there will be

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engagement

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with

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the australian air force in particular

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and uh

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it's funny because you know the

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australian air force is still locked

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very much in the paradigm of the 1970s

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where essentially all you say is there's

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no threat to national security and it's

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not a flight safety risk

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and that's been their parroted line for

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so long

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and the irony is i'm talking all the

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time now to people

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in the defence hierarchy

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some of them are pilots some of them are

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people working in a technical area like

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radar operations or satellite telemetry

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receipt

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and they're telling me that there are

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anomalous objects being seen all the

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time

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and in fact contrary to what mel

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hubfield told the senate estimates

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committee

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i'm told that mel hubfield has been

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orally briefed about unauthorized

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aircraft movements u a m's and that the

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issue might very well be one of

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titles you know labels you know when he

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was asked about uaps

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maybe the answer was no there were no

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uaps being reported but maybe they're

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uams

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and there's a body of evidence there's a

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friend of mine paul dean who does some

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excellent foi research here in australia

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and he's

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he's at least verified the existence of

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databases in the defence department

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called

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uams un identified or un unauthorized

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aircraft movements and um we're still

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trying to procure those files at the

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moment but

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you know it's it's a tough road

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basically it'll like most things in

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australia it'll be lit by the united

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states and then all of a sudden it'll

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become a priority

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yeah absolutely and i mean

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you mentioned there with um the air

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force the australian air force sharing

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information and data

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in you know in the government there but

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do you see them collecting the

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intelligence data from pine gap you know

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the dsp satellite

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information that we've we've spoken

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about before and heard a bit about do

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you think that all goes through to the

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same people

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oh i know it does and in fact it's

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really interesting because i've i've

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been talking to people who

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have worked for the ginderly over the

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horizon radar network

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and it's really interesting because

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jindalee was originally i did a job on

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it

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for a tv show another tv show

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nearly 20 years ago

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it was a very very expensive

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over-the-horizon radar system very

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similar to the cobra mist one that's

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near the um the old ref bentwaters base

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in your country

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and uh the americans have tried

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different versions of over the horizon

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radar in both the usa and also up on the

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the far reaches of the alaska border

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with russia it's never really worked

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that well

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but i'm still getting to the bottom of

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it i'm told that the data source from

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john

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goes directly now to space command in

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the us

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and this is a data stream that's fed

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live back to the us and it's seen as

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highly useful because

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while frankly they discovered that

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jindal is a bit of a dog for working as

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a good radar system conventional radar

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system for a whole variety of reasons

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mainly that the

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ionosphere uh gets interruption at

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sunset and sunrise and you get clutter

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it's fantastic apparently for monitoring

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objects in low earth orbit

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and

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spoken to australians who have rotated

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in and out of space command in the

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united states

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who've been involved in monitoring the

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receipt of john data

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in space command in the us and as well

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as that there's a space

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telescope that the united states

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recently built on

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oddly enough north west cape the same

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place

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where the mysterious harold e holt naval

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communications stations based and this

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space telescope is a top of the you know

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absolutely top of the art

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brand new american space debris

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monitoring

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site and

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there's photographs of it i could send

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you images of it taken by it

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yeah but but it's it's shrouded in

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secrecy and um

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i'm still probing and trying to get to

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the bottom of that one but um uh it is

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interesting that we as well as pine gap

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which is the most well-known one which

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is the joint facility

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we operate with the united states in the

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middle of australia near alice springs

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and that's mainly satellite telemetry

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the dsps now are pretty old there's some

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brand new satellites that do even great

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greater things that are

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now feeding back as well data streams

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back to the united states in real time

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so yeah i mean australia is very very

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plugged into um space force and uh

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uh for the aussies that work in our

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defence forces it's kind of a plum gig

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because

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you know

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to to work in that area and then get a

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trip across to colorado or wherever it

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whether it's based huntsville

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you get an opportunity to see the

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americans up close and that's quite

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thrilling for them and so i've had a

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i've had a number of calls from people

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who've told me that that's going on

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and and that it does include anomalous

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objects and this is the weird thing is

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that i don't know if there's willful

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ignorance on the part of our military

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leaders but um

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they need to ask for briefings because

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they're going to look like idiots the

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moment the united states starts asking

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for

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congressional orders that have been made

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in the legislation

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the only way they're going to find out

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properly what's going on is if they

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actually ask their own people

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and i've had people reaching out to me

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saying hey it's really good that you're

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asking this because

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in all seriousness you know the

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australians i'm talking to they're not

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breaching national security they're

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patriots they're people who are

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genuinely concerned that they are

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they're picking up anomalous objects on

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radar systems and

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space telescope systems that are and

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satellite systems that shouldn't be

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there that are doing things that can't

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be explained and i

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you know this is

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elizondo's point mellon's point that

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that

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why isn't this a national security issue

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nobody's saying it's an immediate threat

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nobody's saying little green men are

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going to come and invade or take us over

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but by definition anything that has the

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scientific capacity the technological

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superiority to be able to penetrate our

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airspace with impunity

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hover over known defence installations

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and

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access secure sites is by definition a

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threat and and that's something that our

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government in australia and

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your government in the uk and the us

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should be looking at

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and i really think that's that's all

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this legislation's about you know and if

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it does turn out that it's russian

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drones or chinese drones or some new

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technology that we don't know then at

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least we've become aware of it that's

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fantastic

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what i don't understand is the willful

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ignorance the kind of the default to

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ridicule

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that is utterly absurd and illogical

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yeah absolutely it feels like here in

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the uk as well though

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our government and military and

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intelligence

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publicly their heads buried in the sand

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because they're not talking openly

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whatsoever which is worrying well look i

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think the uk knows a lot more

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of all the five is countries i think the

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uk was read into a lot of what the us

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knows a lot earlier than all the other

564
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,320
countries

565
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:20,400
you know it's obvious even from the way

566
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:21,520
they

567
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:26,960
no

568
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,960
inquisitiveness at all into the fact

569
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,080
that um

570
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,240
the raph woodridge raf bentwaters

571
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,120
episode happened on their soil

572
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,120
and uh you know

573
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,440
they literally stood aside while the us

574
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,440
air force came in and investigated what

575
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,720
was clearly

576
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:44,960
some kind of incursion by some kind of

577
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,760
anomalous object on british soil

578
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,679
yeah absolutely

579
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,440
you don't you don't buy willful

580
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,880
ignorance like that unless you're given

581
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:54,960
a bit of a briefing you know i said yeah

582
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:57,840
what's going on here you know

583
00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,159
absolutely i completely agree yeah i

584
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,679
mean

585
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,600
the uk government and what we've seen

586
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,240
from the released files in the past 20

587
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,799
odd years there was some serious work

588
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,480
being done on the subject and then it

589
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,320
goes dark all of a sudden in the past

590
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,039
decade i don't buy that one little bit

591
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,720
well never do i and in fact neither did

592
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:19,200
harry turner who was the australian

593
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,480
one of the chief scientists in

594
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,840
australia's joint

595
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,000
intelligence organization in our defence

596
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:26,720
department and uh i've put out on the

597
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,600
internet the document that um one of my

598
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,880
colleagues bill chalker here in

599
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,039
australia was instrumental in procuring

600
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,039
from our defense department

601
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:37,679
and he befriended harry and way back in

602
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,240
the 1970s harry was utterly convinced

603
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,919
that there was a cover-up going on that

604
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,080
the americans knew far more than they

605
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,720
were letting on about the phenomenon

606
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,159
and uh

607
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,159
you know sadly the poor man went to his

608
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,320
grave never really getting the answer

609
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,480
but he was in touch with american

610
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,120
defense scientists he collaborated on

611
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,799
different things like the nuclear

612
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,360
weapons tests uh at maralinga with your

613
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,520
british government yeah and he saw he

614
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,280
saw anomalous objects and he saw enough

615
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,520
to convince himself that the phenomenon

616
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,799
was real

617
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,640
yeah you mentioned marilinga that's

618
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,080
actually on my list of things i'd like

619
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,760
to discuss so we might as well jump onto

620
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,039
it now now

621
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,400
it's because we hear about all these

622
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,120
cases around nuclear test facilities and

623
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,799
and things like that but marilinga i

624
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,720
don't think a lot of people are familiar

625
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,480
with what happened and i think a lot of

626
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,159
the sightings were as back as the early

627
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,720
as the 1950s um

628
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,320
so were you able to just give us a brief

629
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,080
overview of what happened back then and

630
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,320
if anything is repeated around that area

631
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,320
in more more recent times

632
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,559
well the majesty's government the

633
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,440
british military in their great wisdom

634
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:43,600
decided that letting off nuclear bombs

635
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,320
to test the building of the british

636
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,400
nuclear deterrence in the end of

637
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,000
in the aftermath of world war ii they

638
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,159
wanted their own nuclear bomb

639
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,320
and they decided in their wisdom that to

640
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,480
test their weaponry they needed a remote

641
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,960
and empty part of the world and they set

642
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,360
upon australia god bless them

643
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,200
and of course it wasn't empty there were

644
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,039
a large number of aboriginal people who

645
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,679
were still nomadic moving in the areas

646
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,200
of the south australian desert where

647
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,120
these tests were located and a lot of

648
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,120
them have suffered terribly since from

649
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,360
the exposures to radiation

650
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:17,120
a lot of them were forcibly kicked off

651
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,240
their land

652
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,559
but there were hundreds of thousands of

653
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,559
square kilometers of territory that were

654
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,559
essentially locked off by the british

655
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,280
and australian military in the 1950s

656
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,039
and right through the 1950s and the

657
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,559
1960s

658
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,000
firstly at maralingo where they

659
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,240
developed the actual bomb and did

660
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,480
repeated nuclear testing

661
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,400
and then later at a place called warmer

662
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,720
in the same area of desert they tested

663
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,520
the icbm technology the intercontinental

664
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,840
ballistic missile technology

665
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,559
and then also in islands far off the

666
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,320
west australian coast i think the

667
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,360
montebello islands they also did

668
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,279
air burst

669
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,240
sea launches of nuclear weapons

670
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,080
but the most interesting things that are

671
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,240
in the australian national archives

672
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,720
declassified archives are documents that

673
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,760
show that right through this marylingo

674
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,760
nuclear testing just as has happened at

675
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,400
the nevada test range with the american

676
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,840
nuclear testing

677
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,520
as soon as they started this testing

678
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,600
anomalous objects were being detected

679
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,240
over the test sites including objects

680
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,559
that to the observers most of them were

681
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,240
military observers

682
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:25,760
looked like

683
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,400
lenticular metallic disc shaped craft

684
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,640
quite often these objects were seen

685
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,240
in some of the sightings that i've read

686
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,240
coming up out of the sea out of the

687
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,480
ocean on the south coast of south

688
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,600
australia

689
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,000
and there's literally a sequence of

690
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,679
sightings reports where two little old

691
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,840
ladies see this object coming up out of

692
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,960
the ocean

693
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,919
uh over adelaide which is south of this

694
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,640
range and then later on either the same

695
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,559
day or a day afterwards you've got

696
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,039
people on the range seeing these objects

697
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,279
shortly after or just before a nuclear

698
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,600
weapon is due to be exploded

699
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,480
and interestingly enough the guy who

700
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,960
wrote the jio report

701
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,000
i think

702
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:10,720
harry turner

703
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:11,400
in

704
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,720
1973 he um he was one of the young

705
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,880
physicists who was involved in working

706
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,200
with the british on the range

707
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,279
and he was involved

708
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,760
assigned to investigate some of these

709
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,960
sightings

710
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,919
and

711
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,120
it's quite amazing actually because

712
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,440
while i was researching the north west

713
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,120
cape story

714
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,760
i got put on to people who

715
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,400
worked at the mythological

716
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,400
northwest cape facility the harold e

717
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,559
holt facility and one of them was a

718
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,520
physicist who'd also worked in the uh

719
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,320
the test range in the 1960s

720
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,200
and uh he told me that

721
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,440
he was ordered by his superiors to go

722
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,600
and investigate a sighting by a civilian

723
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,640
woman who'd been walking her dog and she

724
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,960
claimed to have seen a

725
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:01,679
lenticular disc shaped craft

726
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,440
landing in scrub bush near her home

727
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,039
and he went and investigated and he

728
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,200
found three

729
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,080
um triangular shaped indentations in the

730
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,600
soil of course there was no craft there

731
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,919
anymore but he said to me he said he'd

732
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,440
never spoken to anybody about it and he

733
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,039
never actually gave the report to his

734
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,960
superiors because he was worried again

735
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,200
about this ridicule factor yeah you know

736
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,200
he i think he gave an oral report to his

737
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,720
commanding officer but he never wrote

738
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,080
the thing down

739
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:30,720
but what fascinates me is that

740
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,760
despite the taboo and despite the stigma

741
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,159
there's a long history from that testing

742
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,679
at maralinga

743
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,559
of really strange anomalous objects that

744
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,600
were seen

745
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:42,960
all through

746
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,919
those nuclear test

747
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,600
experiments that were being done by the

748
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,679
british at maralinga

749
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,960
and

750
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,200
i uh i've been involved in doing stories

751
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,720
since

752
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,880
where the full extent frankly and this

753
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,480
needs to be acknowledged that i mean the

754
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,159
british government is still making it

755
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,840
very difficult for service men who were

756
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,240
exposed to the radiation

757
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,880
uh to get compensation it's almost

758
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,799
impossible for them to prove the levels

759
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,320
of exposure and a

760
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:12,240
shocking number of these men have died

761
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:13,279
from

762
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:14,320
terrible

763
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,279
uh

764
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:18,399
radiation cancer caused illnesses

765
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,320
yeah and um but when i was working for

766
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,440
another tv show many years ago um we

767
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,440
were involved in going out to marilinga

768
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,279
and we showed how

769
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:30,880
there were still

770
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,640
areas where the british had strewn

771
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,720
plutonium for no good reason they'd

772
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,440
literally just strewn plutonium

773
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,919
over the outback and a lot of this was

774
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,000
still there in fact we were warned not

775
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:45,440
to stay there for too long because it

776
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,640
was still hot yeah and uh you know this

777
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,200
vast swathe of australian desert is

778
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,960
still dangerous

779
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,880
to the people and the traditional

780
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,559
residents of that land the aboriginal

781
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,559
people who lived there

782
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,640
and uh it's a huge scandal really i mean

783
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:01,760
i

784
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:09,840
matter

785
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,799
but the the full extent to which this is

786
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,720
all being sat on is never really

787
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,320
properly going to be revealed in that

788
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,720
inimitable british way

789
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,440
absolutely so while you were there um

790
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,120
on the site did you get to speak to any

791
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,120
locals at the time and did you hear

792
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,880
anything about more recent sightings in

793
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,559
that area

794
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,640
they've been sightings constantly i mean

795
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,679
i'd uh

796
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,840
less so in the maralinger area because

797
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,279
there's not really been a lot of

798
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,760
activity there until um

799
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,760
i think i suspect the americans were

800
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,000
testing hypersonic missile technology in

801
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,279
warbura fairly recently but

802
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,440
uh i spoke to the the aboriginal people

803
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,200
the traditional custodians of the land

804
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,559
there and uh

805
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:52,799
they're still mightily upset that they

806
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,840
lost vast swathes of their country

807
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,000
to a decision made by robert menzies the

808
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:59,840
australian prime minister

809
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,880
uh to sort of cravenly allow the

810
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:04,640
the brits to come in and essentially

811
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,720
despoil this massive part of australia

812
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,399
but no the the bulk of the more

813
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,919
interesting sightings that have occurred

814
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,919
have been over more

815
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,640
new military bases like

816
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:19,200
pine gap which is much further to the

817
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,559
north east

818
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,240
and

819
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:24,320
north west cape

820
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,840
and there's been sightings as well over

821
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,360
a lot of the more conventional

822
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,360
australian air force bases like william

823
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:34,000
town newcastle north sydney

824
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:34,960
um

825
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,760
and places way up the queensland coast

826
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,120
i mean there's been i mean there's a

827
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,360
long history here in australia of

828
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,480
anomalous objects being cited but um

829
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,960
one of the things that fascinates me is

830
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:49,600
since i did the last story in december

831
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,200
with peter wish wilson the senator

832
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,440
all of a sudden the the floodgates have

833
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,159
started opening and um barely a day goes

834
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,159
by now where i don't get

835
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,120
quite a few emails from people in the um

836
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,120
australian military or former australian

837
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,039
military telling me their story of the

838
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,480
sighting that they had while they were

839
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,840
in the service

840
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,399
and uh it's weird because

841
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,840
it's not like i mean i can tell you i

842
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,320
mean i've spoken to senior people in the

843
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:18,080
air force who've told me that they would

844
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,039
welcome

845
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:23,039
people reporting these incursions

846
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,240
but

847
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:25,840
there's kind of like this fear of

848
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,880
ridicule it's such a powerful taboo

849
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,200
and in fact there was one guy i'm still

850
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,799
trying to get back to him he contacted

851
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:35,520
me about uh a citing

852
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,640
that took place over william town

853
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,159
air force base

854
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,200
in the 1980s uh 1990s

855
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,120
and um

856
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,880
it's weird it's kind of like i'm talking

857
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,039
to him about the biggest national secret

858
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,279
ever and he's terrified about speaking

859
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,880
about it because the official government

860
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,720
position is that the radars were all

861
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,279
faulty the only trouble there were about

862
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,360
six different radar systems that picked

863
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,919
these objects up and uh i've also now

864
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,919
spoken to pilots who saw the similar

865
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,320
thing but there really is this residual

866
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,960
taboo this stigma and as hard as i find

867
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,399
it to accept

868
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,480
one of the things in australia that is

869
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,679
stooped

870
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,919
acculturated into the officer class in

871
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,799
the australian military is a deep and

872
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,120
abiding hatred and distrust of news

873
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,840
media and it works really it works it

874
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,159
works really well and uh

875
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:28,240
you know the officer class are just

876
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,159
stooped in distrust of media in fact

877
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,159
i'll tell you a story

878
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,000
when um when the australians in their

879
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:37,919
great wisdom decided to protect the

880
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,399
people of east timor from

881
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,000
indonesia's

882
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:44,320
appalling human rights abuses by special

883
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,760
forces troops

884
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,840
when indonesia occupied

885
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,159
and controlled east timor and john

886
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,480
howard our prime minister somewhat

887
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,360
bravely uh decided to honor the

888
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:57,919
elections and a right and fair election

889
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,880
and essentially guaranteed

890
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,320
the opportunity for his team or to

891
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,240
become independent

892
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,039
i remember we all went in uh with the

893
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,960
australian military

894
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,760
following them in from the dilly airport

895
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,039
and the australian military didn't want

896
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,279
to have a bar of us bloody media being

897
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,279
there you know we were just in nuisance

898
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,960
but the great thing was that i will i

899
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,880
will be forever i will be forever

900
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,880
grateful because the british royal

901
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:25,120
marines came along and gee they were

902
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,399
good blacks

903
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,399
and uh the royal marines came in and

904
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:30,960
they were just the most top fellas and

905
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,000
they had gurkhas with them and um

906
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,320
and uh what was happening was we had

907
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,320
like hundreds of thousands of dollars of

908
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,840
camera equipment we were literally

909
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,360
camping on the ground i remember we

910
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,120
occupied a convent

911
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,760
and we had all our gear in this convent

912
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,080
and the uh the locals were so desperate

913
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,679
they were coming and trying to steal our

914
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,159
gear and so was the um

915
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,840
remaining sections of the indonesian

916
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,279
military who were still there they were

917
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,519
just trying to cause interference for us

918
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,799
and we went and asked the australian

919
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,559
military for help and they went yeah no

920
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,240
you guys are on your own you know bugger

921
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,760
off leaves alone

922
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,760
and i remember i i still remember with

923
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,000
some sadness marie colvin she was

924
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,559
subsequently murdered by the syrians in

925
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,679
um

926
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,760
in syria they targeted her mobile phone

927
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,519
and dropped a bomb on her

928
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,120
but she was a brave woman she was the

929
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,960
woman who had the eye patch right for

930
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,200
the london london sunday times god she

931
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,480
was ballsy

932
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,640
and she went up to the commander of the

933
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,799
royal marines detachment and said uh you

934
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,159
know is there any chance of us getting

935
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,200
some security and the royal marines boss

936
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,360
ever mindful i think for the opportunity

937
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:35,200
for a bit of publicity went oh yes of

938
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:36,240
course

939
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,320
these two gurkhas with these massive

940
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,000
machine guns standing at either side

941
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,600
either end of our convent keeping all

942
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,440
the bad guys away and the australians

943
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,039
realized they'd missed

944
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,799
a prime opportunity to generate some

945
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,880
good will with the british media and

946
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,559
from that point on i don't think the

947
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,640
royal marines ever got such good press

948
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,159
in their lives

949
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,080
no yeah you're right i think

950
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,440
absolutely

951
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,360
that's great great i'm just going to

952
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,440
take this moment just to remind everyone

953
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,720
i did pin it

954
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,159
a message at the top to say all

955
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,840
questions will leave

956
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,599
you guys questions till the end of the

957
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:11,440
interview so i will get to them don't

958
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,480
worry

959
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,159
ross one thing i really wanted to make

960
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,679
sure that i spoke to you about well two

961
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,960
things but

962
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,399
one of them is the department of energy

963
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,399
and the other one is noah so i'll start

964
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:22,240
with the department of energy

965
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,679
because you said in a recent interview

966
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,520
that you've actually spoken with people

967
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,200
at the doe

968
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,399
who have talked about the retrieval of

969
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,560
non-human materials which of course

970
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,320
whenever we hear that kind of thing

971
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,240
people get quite excited about it

972
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,159
especially i think yeah and i think a

973
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,760
lot of it got lost somewhere in those

974
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,399
gray areas of the aerospace community

975
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,399
but i'm just wondering if you have any

976
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:46,879
inclination or any words about

977
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,359
when where and whether multiple of these

978
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,520
potential uh retrievals

979
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,320
okay well i i'm told and i'm only ever

980
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,720
as good as my sources okay

981
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,640
for obvious reasons i can't identify my

982
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,119
sources of course but but i'm told that

983
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,160
there were multiple

984
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:08,000
objects

985
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:12,960
um

986
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,599
uh i'm told that it began in the 1940s

987
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:19,359
and i asked specifically about the

988
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,480
roswell

989
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:22,079
and

990
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,950
other than that there's not a lot more i

991
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:31,040
can say because um

992
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,400
i'm being

993
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,119
very very careful here what i what i i

994
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,800
mean it's funny because i i know it's

995
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,359
been an apocryphal or you know it's been

996
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,839
a mythical uh story for some time that

997
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,320
the doe is a place to look yeah i've

998
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:46,400
been told i've been told that's where

999
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,599
you should look and i'm told that's why

1000
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:51,359
a lot of the

1001
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,280
attempts to elicit information on foia

1002
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,680
inside the u.s military aren't going to

1003
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,440
be that much successful because it's all

1004
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,480
been

1005
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,240
very well kept

1006
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,960
inside compartmentalized

1007
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,000
files

1008
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,480
under acute clearance inside the doe so

1009
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:10,160
completely different classification

1010
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,200
system

1011
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,520
um completely different facilities and i

1012
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,520
guess if you think about it if it's if

1013
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,160
it's true as we've all read

1014
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,520
that people from the uh

1015
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,880
former

1016
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,720
nazi government who were working at los

1017
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:26,960
alamos were brought in to look at

1018
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,750
after certain incidents in the 1940s

1019
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,760
it makes sense that it would be the doe

1020
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:38,079
that would take charge and as well as

1021
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,960
that

1022
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,800
you know frankly if i was the u.s i'd do

1023
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,720
the same thing i'd make sure that this

1024
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,119
is as compartmentalized as possible i

1025
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,079
i've i think we all have to

1026
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,640
we all have to exercise a fair degree of

1027
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,480
um

1028
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,400
restraint here to some degree because

1029
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,320
the more i get into this the more i'm

1030
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:58,160
starting to understand

1031
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:59,040
if

1032
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,400
this is true

1033
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:01,680
yeah and you're only ever as good as

1034
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,800
your sources but if this is true

1035
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:06,320
i can understand

1036
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,240
why they are desperate to keep it secret

1037
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,880
i would you know i hate to i hate to say

1038
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,800
this you know i'd i'd i'd love to say

1039
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,440
that a british prime minister or an an

1040
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,520
australian or american

1041
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,119
leader would basically come out and say

1042
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,359
yes we want you all to know this

1043
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,839
but there is a lot of good reason

1044
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,040
for why

1045
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,520
the technology that this represents if

1046
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,040
it exists

1047
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,359
might be better kept in the black and

1048
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,280
being worked on in the black and i can

1049
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,680
understand that and rationalize that

1050
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,160
what i don't understand is why congress

1051
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,839
has been lied to

1052
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,480
and why presidents have been lied to and

1053
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:46,480
why oversight committees have been lied

1054
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:47,440
to

1055
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,320
yeah there's been very little oversight

1056
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,079
when it comes to the doe in comparison

1057
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,320
to the dod the oversight has been

1058
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,160
completely different they've not had to

1059
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:00,160
answer as as much

1060
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,760
to the oversight committees from what

1061
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,839
i've been told in the past but i think

1062
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,000
that there is word of that changing that

1063
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,760
they're going to have to give up the

1064
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,520
goods a bit more doesn't mean we're

1065
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,680
going to get anything uap related but

1066
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,440
well that's that's why this legislation

1067
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,880
is so important though because

1068
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,480
it really depends

1069
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,520
on the whims of congress and i think we

1070
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,040
we all need to be looking to the

1071
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,079
implications of the mid-terms because

1072
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,079
frankly if there is a dramatic change in

1073
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,760
the balance of power in the congress

1074
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,520
that could radically affect just how

1075
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,000
much information is made public

1076
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,160
as to what the pentagon

1077
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:38,960
has revealed to the congress you know i

1078
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,680
suspect if we have a

1079
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,720
republican-controlled house after the

1080
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,520
midterms which i suspect we will

1081
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,640
um

1082
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,280
we may very well end up with

1083
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,000
less information being made public but

1084
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,599
you know these oversight committees are

1085
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,920
a good start you know

1086
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,760
i mean if they realize that they've been

1087
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,720
lied to for 70 plus years then

1088
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,560
they may want the american public to

1089
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,480
know that and that would be a positive

1090
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,680
beginning

1091
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:08,000
a hundred percent oh my gosh yeah

1092
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,880
completely um let's move on to noah now

1093
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,520
i mean it's quite obvious why noah may

1094
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,200
be a good place to look because of the

1095
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,040
work they do with regards to the oceans

1096
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,280
so have you spoken to people within noah

1097
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,400
have they given you any hints leads or

1098
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,040
information that you're able to decide i

1099
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,880
can't say who i've spoken to or where

1100
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,280
they are but i've been told that i've

1101
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:33,040
been told the

1102
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,520
noah is a very good place for data

1103
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,640
and that if you were looking for a part

1104
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,040
of the us government that would have the

1105
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,640
best data

1106
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,720
on the phenomenon

1107
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,160
they're it

1108
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,480
and if you think about it

1109
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,960
you know there are

1110
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,040
technologies that i'm aware of that i

1111
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,760
have no desire as a journalist to breach

1112
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,320
the security of them because they are

1113
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,320
very very important for the strategic

1114
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:05,040
nuclear deterrence of the u.s

1115
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,240
and

1116
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,760
i don't want to go into the detail about

1117
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,359
them but they're a phenomenal

1118
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,280
technologies that would allow the

1119
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,839
detection of large metallic objects

1120
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,119
underwater

1121
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:17,200
um that have been in use for quite some

1122
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,240
time

1123
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,920
and they're not just acoustic and

1124
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:24,400
i learned about them at first from

1125
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,710
i've made inquiries more subsequently

1126
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,800
about where that kind of data would be

1127
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,200
stored and obviously a lot of that would

1128
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,800
be in the defense department but i'm

1129
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,599
told also that noa

1130
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,240
is a really good place to look and i

1131
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:43,680
thought it was really telling did you

1132
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,640
notice that a former director of the um

1133
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,160
the noa

1134
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,520
a former vice admiral yeah rear admiral

1135
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,079
um wrote co-wrote an article with avi

1136
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,359
lobe

1137
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,760
just recently from the hill

1138
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,520
where they openly canvassed the

1139
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:02,960
possibility that what we're talking

1140
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,599
about here is extraterrestrial life

1141
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,160
and i mean there's a lot of big golden

1142
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,480
nuggets being dropped and

1143
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,560
despite the debunkers along the way i

1144
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,200
mean i'm really fascinated by the way

1145
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,760
that there is this slow drip

1146
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:18,880
of

1147
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,480
cia directors former presidents

1148
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,480
former principals of

1149
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,400
relevant government departments now

1150
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,880
dropping big clanger hints

1151
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,960
talking quite openly hinting quite

1152
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,720
openly about the possibility that what

1153
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:36,480
we're talking about here is some kind of

1154
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,240
non-human intelligent life

1155
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,960
and uh you know before the

1156
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,640
you know the debunkers and the skeptics

1157
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,160
start jumping on my back basically

1158
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,000
saying i'm openly talking about depos

1159
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,079
you know about aliens i'm not i'm just

1160
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,920
saying that they are

1161
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,440
they're saying it you know they're the

1162
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,359
ones talking about an intelligence that

1163
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:57,040
may not be human

1164
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,319
and and

1165
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,240
you know we're in a completely new

1166
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,720
paradigm here where it's time to grow up

1167
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,839
and start

1168
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,839
engaging and thinking about this subject

1169
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,200
matter in a way that we haven't done

1170
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,839
before i'm really excited i mean i'm

1171
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,319
hoping that 2021

1172
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,640
as well as sorry 2022 as well as putting

1173
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,800
covert behind us i'm hoping that we

1174
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:19,119
might actually get some breakthroughs in

1175
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:20,240
terms of

1176
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,119
um

1177
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,800
an official willingness

1178
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,359
to at least go further in admitting the

1179
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,359
reality of the phenomenon i don't think

1180
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,440
we're going to see a lot about

1181
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,760
retrieved technology even though people

1182
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,440
like louis lozando and others have

1183
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,599
spoken quite openly about it

1184
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,440
i think that'll take a while longer but

1185
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,160
i think we are going to see an increased

1186
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,520
candor

1187
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,440
about the fact that there is a genuine

1188
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,280
mystery there that requires

1189
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,640
investigation and that in and of itself

1190
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,880
is a massive breakthrough that's that's

1191
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,839
huge

1192
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:53,839
you know to have militaries now

1193
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,040
acknowledging yeah this is real

1194
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,560
you know we've gone we've gone we've

1195
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,040
gone through 50 years of denial and

1196
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,359
evasion on the subject matter when it's

1197
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,480
been quite clear to a a large section of

1198
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,720
the ufo twitter righty that that there

1199
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,200
is something going on and that there are

1200
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,520
uh you know ongoing investigations being

1201
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,839
done by the us the french the british

1202
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,839
australians and other governments but

1203
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,520
they've all had their heads in the sand

1204
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,280
and pretended that it's not an issue and

1205
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,119
that it's not a national it's that weird

1206
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,040
answer that we've kept on getting you

1207
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,119
know when you say are you investigating

1208
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:29,040
ufos and they go nothing that we're

1209
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,480
investigating represents a threat to

1210
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,480
national security or flight safety and

1211
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,560
they can't say that anymore which is so

1212
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,599
exciting

1213
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,520
because the u.s congress has been

1214
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,079
advised by the pentagon that yes this is

1215
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,680
a threat to flight safety and it may

1216
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,280
very well also be a threat to national

1217
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,400
security

1218
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,240
now i think personally the threat to

1219
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,640
national security is just a bit of a a

1220
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,880
line to to get all the congressmen on

1221
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,599
board because i don't really think they

1222
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,599
think there's a genuine threat there

1223
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,640
because

1224
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,560
if technologies like this that are

1225
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,640
represented by these objects are real

1226
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,240
and they appear to be

1227
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,000
it means something's been operating with

1228
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,280
impunity in our in our skies our oceans

1229
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,440
and indeed in orbit for

1230
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,240
well decades if not hundreds of years

1231
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,920
and um

1232
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,760
you know a technology like that is so

1233
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,200
advanced

1234
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,400
clearly intelligently controlled

1235
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,560
it could have wiped us out years ago if

1236
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,800
it had wanted to but it clearly hasn't

1237
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,319
yeah absolutely

1238
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:28,079
uh i'm going to jump on to some of the

1239
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,200
the questions that were asked in the

1240
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,800
chat here just i'm quite conscious of

1241
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,319
time i've got a few more this side as

1242
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,079
well on my list but we'll get to them

1243
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,800
possibly um first question from electron

1244
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,440
gap if ross could get a truthful answer

1245
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,640
what would he ask and who to

1246
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:44,160
so if you knew the answer was gonna be

1247
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,119
true

1248
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,440
you know you know my dream my dream is

1249
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,119
to walk up to hillary clinton and i'm

1250
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,800
going to do this i'm going to stalk her

1251
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,720
the next time i go to the u.s

1252
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,640
to walk up to hillary clinton and say

1253
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,960
hilary what were you and john podesta up

1254
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,440
to you know why was john podesta having

1255
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,760
conversations revealed by the wikileaks

1256
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:03,440
emails why were they having

1257
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,760
conversations with robert weiss of um

1258
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,680
lockheed martin i apologize to robert if

1259
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,599
i spoke i said his name wrong

1260
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,720
um

1261
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,280
and two former immediate past former

1262
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,520
very senior generals in the u.s air

1263
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,520
force now what was going on why were

1264
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,839
they talking about disclosure

1265
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,760
because clearly the clintons were

1266
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,040
planning something

1267
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,680
john podesta a keen advocate for ufo

1268
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,160
transparency so she's one of the ones i

1269
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,440
would love to see cornet and asked the

1270
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:35,200
hard question you know what was going on

1271
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,079
here

1272
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,960
i'd also like to see john podesta asked

1273
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:39,760
you know

1274
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,359
adviser to clinton i think you're a

1275
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,200
chief of staff to barack obama and then

1276
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,880
you ended up helping run hillary's

1277
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,160
clampane

1278
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,400
there was clearly a contemplation here

1279
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,480
that there was going to be a level of

1280
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,119
disclosure and it was all being worked

1281
00:46:03,030 --> 00:45:59,920
together with unbelievably tom delong of

1282
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,040
ttsa to the stars academy what was going

1283
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:05,760
on here you know and and clearly it all

1284
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,480
died when donald trump won the election

1285
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,200
uh that's crazy isn't it no i mean

1286
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,640
to me it's just one of the great

1287
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,880
cognitive dissonances that

1288
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,920
you've got you've got this

1289
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,800
incontrovertible evidence it's the sort

1290
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,200
of thing i go to as a journal you know

1291
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,040
when somebody leaks a document and the

1292
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,680
doc documents provenance is not in doubt

1293
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,359
you know these emails the provenance of

1294
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,040
these emails even though

1295
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:30,720
you know a lot of people say it wasn't

1296
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,119
the russian gru that leaked them it was

1297
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,119
appallingly damaging and untrue

1298
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,359
conspiracy about seth rich

1299
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,119
it doesn't matter where they came from

1300
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,680
they're real they their providence is

1301
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,079
real there's a chain of custody for them

1302
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,240
and they show incontrovertibly that the

1303
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,720
presidential candidate hillary clinton

1304
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,440
was contemplating disclosure of some

1305
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,280
kind with the help of people like

1306
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,680
general neil mccasland general michael

1307
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,240
carey lockheed martin's robert weiss

1308
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,720
what the hell was going on

1309
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,480
so that's that's one of my first ones

1310
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,599
i'd ask

1311
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,280
the the next one would be trump because

1312
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,480
he can't keep his mouth shut i i

1313
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,480
i'd go down to florida and i'd just wait

1314
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,119
outside um what's this house called dan

1315
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,280
and panda down in mar-a-lago

1316
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,200
yeah yeah mar-a-lago and i just

1317
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,280
basically stalk him until he agreed to

1318
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,319
tell me

1319
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,000
what it was that he was hinting about

1320
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,839
with his son donald trump in that

1321
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,599
interview he did a few months before the

1322
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,720
election yeah where he he basically said

1323
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,040
roswell that's very interesting you know

1324
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,040
that really stupid question that donald

1325
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,760
trump jr asked his dad now dad you know

1326
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,200
dad there you know there's all these

1327
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,359
talk about ufos and roswell you know

1328
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,520
what can you tell us about that

1329
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,040
and then trump said something like well

1330
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,960
that's very interesting and it was clear

1331
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,640
he knew the question was coming and

1332
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,400
donald told him that he was going to ask

1333
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,520
the question

1334
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,760
but trump hinted very strongly that he

1335
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,200
knew a lot more

1336
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,000
so what has been said to these

1337
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,920
presidential

1338
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,480
candidates and indeed a former president

1339
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,559
that makes them aware that there's an

1340
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:07,440
issue there and even obama you know

1341
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,640
obama hinted very strongly very recently

1342
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,800
that that yes we do need to take this

1343
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,599
phenomenon very seriously that there are

1344
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,839
these anomalous objects operating in us

1345
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,680
operating in our skies displaying

1346
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,640
technologies far beyond ours

1347
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,599
which is

1348
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,760
just mind-boggling that the rest of the

1349
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,160
mainstream media doesn't immediately

1350
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,839
jump on that i mean i was

1351
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,280
forgive me i'll just have a minor little

1352
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,640
rant here for a moment because i was

1353
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,880
reading something this morning where

1354
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,880
i read that the only reason

1355
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:38,480
or it was claimed that the only reason

1356
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:42,319
the new york times did the 2017 story

1357
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,599
wasn't because of its revelations about

1358
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,400
uaps or a secret ufo program

1359
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,839
it's because

1360
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,440
they were able to get on the record

1361
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,680
confirmation that congress had allocated

1362
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:56,160
22 million dollars to investigate the

1363
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,359
phenomenon

1364
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,200
and that was the only basis upon which

1365
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:00,800
they thought it was worthwhile doing it

1366
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:03,920
as a story so there's still i think a

1367
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,040
high degree of close-mindedness in the

1368
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,359
u.s mainstream media and

1369
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,040
i think we're all holding our breath

1370
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,119
waiting to see whether bill whittaker on

1371
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,280
cbs 60 minutes will have another go on

1372
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,839
the us 60 minutes program

1373
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,520
i think we're all waiting to see whether

1374
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,119
the mainstream media is going to get

1375
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,960
back in the saddle and keep on asking

1376
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,800
hard questions but

1377
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,280
there's really no excuse anymore because

1378
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,359
uh that's my beef you know that that

1379
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,599
yeah if journalists in the us were doing

1380
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,640
their job

1381
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,640
they would understand that the the

1382
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:36,480
acknowledgments that the pentagon has

1383
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,359
made

1384
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,359
mean that it's now no longer possible

1385
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,839
just to dismissively assert that this is

1386
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,240
there's nothing to it and that uh

1387
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,640
you know this uh this ufo stuff's just

1388
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,200
ridicule and taboo and just ignore it

1389
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,200
yeah absolutely great answers there

1390
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,240
loved it um orangefreak asks hi vinnie

1391
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,160
could you ask ross if he is aware of any

1392
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,640
recent uap incidents or reports from

1393
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,720
australia's neighbor in the region south

1394
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:03,119
east asia

1395
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,349
you able to extrapolate a little bit

1396
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,359
no no

1397
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,520
fair enough fair enough i i suspect i

1398
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,400
know who they are and uh yeah

1399
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:17,839
i'm coming

1400
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,440
oh okay cool i like it um nick gold asks

1401
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,119
the recent u.s national defense

1402
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,880
authorization act language included

1403
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,880
provisions to capture

1404
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,520
exploit uap any thoughts on whether this

1405
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,000
might have been included to legalize

1406
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,559
existing programs

1407
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,079
oh look i don't

1408
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,880
i mean it's interesting because um yeah

1409
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:40,880
i mean the fact that the legislation

1410
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,119
actually talks about essentially getting

1411
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,880
hold of this technology trying to

1412
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,079
capture it

1413
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:48,800
i i was told by sources

1414
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:51,520
when i was in the states in june last

1415
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,400
year

1416
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,480
that there was an active effort being

1417
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,599
made

1418
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,440
to

1419
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,680
track

1420
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:01,920
locate and

1421
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:05,760
attract and then capture bring down

1422
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:10,950
and the person who told me about it

1423
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:14,000
expressed a lot of concern about that

1424
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,040
because

1425
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,200
they cited the condyne report and i

1426
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,119
wasn't aware of what the condyne report

1427
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,640
said about this but basically the

1428
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,359
soviets admitted that they'd lost craft

1429
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:26,240
uh attempting to engage in an offensive

1430
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,440
way with

1431
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,200
these anomalous objects

1432
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,400
so yeah i mean i hope they know what

1433
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,720
they're doing uh i mean tracking has

1434
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,960
been around for decades it's been around

1435
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:37,280
since the 1950s they've known that there

1436
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,319
are

1437
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,640
particular electromagnetic magnetic

1438
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,040
signatures that that these objects can

1439
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,559
be detected by

1440
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,200
and one of my sources in my book who i

1441
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,040
name bob fish

1442
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,119
admitted to me that as far away as 30

1443
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:54,160
years ago he um

1444
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,280
he was

1445
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,839
told about efforts to

1446
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,079
track and locate objects that were seen

1447
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,520
going in and

1448
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,040
out of the water

1449
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,839
south of florida in the caribbean

1450
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,400
so i'm told that's been going on for

1451
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,040
some time and it's still happening

1452
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,760
yeah absolutely um walkerdale thank you

1453
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:15,599
for the five dollar donation with your

1454
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,720
question here

1455
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,480
um i'm wondering what what ross thinks

1456
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,720
of lou's comments on our dna possibly

1457
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,839
being manipulated 70 000 years ago are

1458
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,920
we a science project by some creator

1459
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,440
species

1460
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,800
look

1461
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:31,440
i'm as fascinated by that as clearly

1462
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,720
lures and a lot of people are um

1463
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,880
i i

1464
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,559
i'll tell you what i'm i'm hooked on i'm

1465
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,720
hooked on a guy an aussie guy who now

1466
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,200
based in the us who has a youtube

1467
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,400
channel called uncharted x

1468
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,240
and there's another one an american guy

1469
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,040
called bright insight and we both like

1470
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:54,319
that right and both of them do amazing

1471
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:55,200
work

1472
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,800
investigating the archaeological record

1473
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,359
and in quite a scientific way

1474
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:04,240
they're very thorough looking at reasons

1475
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,359
why there is good cause to doubt

1476
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,760
the accepted narrative about

1477
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,760
human evolution and the possibility of

1478
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,760
prior civilizations

1479
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,599
the idea being that a lot of the

1480
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:17,839
megalithic ruins a lot of the ruins that

1481
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:20,240
have been around for possibly tens of

1482
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:21,839
thousands of years

1483
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:25,920
could not plausibly have been made by

1484
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,640
our current civilizations

1485
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,040
and uh yeah i mean

1486
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,040
i'm with liu on that i mean i if there

1487
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,760
is i'm not a dna scientist and

1488
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,319
it's an area that i would love to get

1489
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,680
into if there's anybody that can

1490
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,839
approach me and give me some insights

1491
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,200
into why

1492
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,839
there is a credible basis to that but

1493
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,800
um did you notice just on that did you

1494
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,960
notice that gary nolan professor gary

1495
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:53,520
nolan of stanford university a highly

1496
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,880
reputable uh genetics scientist

1497
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,480
who's obviously been involved on the

1498
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,280
periphery with ttsa

1499
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,400
gary talked publicly a few weeks ago

1500
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,559
about the fact that the dna research

1501
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,160
that he was doing

1502
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,480
and his client at least at one stage was

1503
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,559
the cia

1504
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,119
asked him to look at

1505
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,599
people who'd had

1506
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:20,480
encounters with the phenomena

1507
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:22,000
and were suffering

1508
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,119
physical symptoms he actually said that

1509
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:28,400
a quarter of these people died

1510
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,599
as a result of their exposure

1511
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:32,800
now

1512
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,680
again

1513
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,280
i mean i just keep on dropping these

1514
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,040
clangers so people know where to look if

1515
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:38,880
they ever decide in the mainstream media

1516
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,079
to wake up from their stupa if i was the

1517
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:44,559
la times or the new york times or the

1518
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,839
washington post and i saw a reputable

1519
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,839
highly regarded probably a nobel

1520
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,799
prize-winning professor one day

1521
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,720
saying things like that saying that a

1522
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,880
quarter of the people exposed to this

1523
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:59,040
phenomenon have died as a result of that

1524
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,400
exposure

1525
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,640
might be getting on a bus and going out

1526
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,400
to stanford and knocking on his door and

1527
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,240
saying excuse me sir what's this all

1528
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,160
about can you explain this research to

1529
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:09,760
me

1530
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,880
says it and it just gets ignored i for

1531
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,119
the life of me do not know why

1532
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,880
it's the weirdest thing

1533
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,200
yeah i'm keeping a very close eye on

1534
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:23,680
everything gary nolan does um

1535
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,240
yeah if anybody does want to see any of

1536
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,920
the stuff that you talked about recently

1537
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,760
you can see it all on my instagram page

1538
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,599
um i even put a clip out yesterday that

1539
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,079
i found a new interview he did um i've

1540
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:35,839
got to bring this one up gary voorhees

1541
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,839
junior says chickens are raptors

1542
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,119
gotta love it

1543
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,000
he's right he's right

1544
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,160
absolutely as part of the evolutionary

1545
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,640
uh trail then um

1546
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:51,040
good day to gary yeah he's a nice bloke

1547
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,760
yeah

1548
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,359
absolutely we had a great chat last

1549
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,040
night i know he's in his hotel room

1550
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:57,680
eating takeaway food and six pack of

1551
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,440
beer so shout out mr voorhees um

1552
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,280
another question here ross of all the

1553
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,680
uap events you have investigated which

1554
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:08,400
is the best evidence that it was alien

1555
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,599
and why

1556
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:11,440
that's from john hunsley

1557
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:15,440
oh that's a goodie um

1558
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,559
okay um i uh i can't narrow down to one

1559
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:22,960
i'm really excited i just wish this ruar

1560
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,400
zimbabwe film would come out

1561
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,240
i'm so bloody frustrated it's been

1562
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:29,760
coming and coming and coming for about

1563
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,160
three or four years but i love the rua

1564
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:34,240
zimbabwe story

1565
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,280
and

1566
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,079
i watched james fox's recent film with

1567
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,000
great excitement because

1568
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,079
he used a lot of the original bbc

1569
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,720
footage that was shot by a journalist

1570
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:46,640
who i spoke to at one stage as well in

1571
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,760
my research

1572
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,680
and there's no doubt in my mind that the

1573
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:52,160
the kids and indeed i think at least one

1574
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,760
teacher at rura zimbabwe saw

1575
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,960
a craft

1576
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,760
and the kids claim to have engaged in a

1577
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,400
telepathic way with some kind of

1578
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,520
non-human entity

1579
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,760
that's a goodie because of the volume of

1580
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,200
sightings and the number of witness

1581
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,200
reports and the contemporaneous pictures

1582
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:13,359
that were drawn by the children that

1583
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,920
that showed a clear and uh accurate

1584
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:17,839
record the other one that i like is in

1585
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,640
my country which is the westall 1966

1586
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:23,440
school sighting and i've spoken to so

1587
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:26,400
many of those witnesses and

1588
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,599
i think i might have told you on a

1589
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:29,359
previous chat that

1590
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,670
the father of one of my

1591
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,000
long-time good sources in federal

1592
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,760
government australia

1593
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,359
was the bloke who actually wrote the

1594
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,000
secret report for a now defunct

1595
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,599
government department here in australia

1596
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,760
called the department of supply

1597
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,240
and that report has disappeared but i'm

1598
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,319
no no doubt at all that it existed and

1599
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,480
probably still exists

1600
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,760
basically uh somebody is hiding a report

1601
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:59,280
that was written into the west oil

1602
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,319
incident

1603
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,799
and you know hundreds hundreds of people

1604
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:03,760
saw

1605
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,960
the lenticular craft that day hovering

1606
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,440
over the school operating intelligently

1607
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,160
nobody saw an alien but

1608
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,760
something was controlling it they might

1609
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:16,160
have been drones i don't know

1610
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,280
other ones

1611
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,559
um

1612
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,400
does it have to be with aliens on board

1613
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,079
i mean i don't know about aliens to be

1614
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,000
honest i still think i'm the same

1615
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:26,880
i i i i'm not convinced i've ever heard

1616
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,520
a really good case where i'm absolutely

1617
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:32,319
rolled gold sure that these aren't just

1618
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,680
autonomous ai drones because a bit like

1619
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,160
us with mars you know why would you send

1620
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,040
living humanoid entities to mars to

1621
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,640
explore the surface of the planet when

1622
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,960
you can do it just as well with a drone

1623
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:47,040
and vice versa if you're an alien

1624
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:48,799
intelligence that's basically wanting to

1625
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:51,680
keep tabs on humans on earth wasn't the

1626
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,359
best thing to do b to send ai drones

1627
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,799
so i'm still not convinced that what

1628
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,119
these are aren't some kind of artificial

1629
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,880
intelligence but frankly i'd just be

1630
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,720
speculating i don't know

1631
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,640
and that's the exciting thing about this

1632
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:05,520
is that

1633
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:08,640
there is so much now to be investigated

1634
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,520
so much more to be understood

1635
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,680
but i'm not dispelling the possibility

1636
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,599
that there are

1637
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,839
living non-human intelligences that are

1638
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,400
visiting this planet i just don't know

1639
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,559
i know absolutely

1640
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,319
uh darren plain asks we need a

1641
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,319
high-profile advocate to keep pushing

1642
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,520
congress for answers like elon musk does

1643
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,799
ross think there may be other

1644
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:32,480
high-profile people that would be

1645
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,280
effective at pushing congress

1646
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:38,079
well g'day darren he's an aussie um

1647
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,280
uh

1648
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,799
yeah and i think when he asked about

1649
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,400
elon i think he was hoping it might be

1650
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,400
elon and i don't think it will be

1651
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,799
because i think elon has to sign secrecy

1652
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,119
agreements as part of his relationship

1653
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:51,680
with the u.s defense department which is

1654
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,720
the contract that has saved his spacex

1655
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,359
rocket company and what a brilliant

1656
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,359
achievement spacex is you know there's

1657
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:01,119
an entrepreneur who's been able to do

1658
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,720
something that nasa

1659
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,880
wasn't able to do he's been able to

1660
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,200
develop a reusable

1661
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:09,760
cheaper alternative rocket technology to

1662
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,119
develop to to deliver nasa payloads

1663
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:15,359
but i don't think it's going to be elon

1664
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,079
but

1665
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:18,559
there are

1666
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,599
i know

1667
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,240
people of great net worth in the united

1668
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,839
states the new

1669
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,240
lawrence rockefellers if you like

1670
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,040
who are intrigued by the phenomenon

1671
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:32,079
and they are willing to

1672
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:35,520
indulge their curiosity by investing and

1673
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,319
funding collaborative research and you

1674
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:40,400
know watch this space i i think that'll

1675
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,200
happen

1676
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,760
i don't think anybody expects the us

1677
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,240
government to willingly pry loose the

1678
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,160
dark secrets that it's probably

1679
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,319
illegally been sitting on for much of

1680
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,040
the last 70 years there's absolutely no

1681
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,880
doubt in my mind that there's been some

1682
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,960
kind of a government cover-up

1683
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:59,040
i just don't know yet for sure what it

1684
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,640
is that they've been covering up but

1685
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:03,280
they're certainly shy about revealing it

1686
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,240
um

1687
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:06,799
but uh yeah i mean i who who would it be

1688
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:10,319
who would i like to see taking a lead

1689
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:11,359
hmm

1690
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:15,990
um

1691
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,040
finally uh sharda rawat asks hi ross in

1692
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,119
your research has there been any overlap

1693
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,680
between uap activity and remote viewing

1694
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,680
any efforts to remote view these things

1695
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,440
etc

1696
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:29,680
oh god i'll tell you a story i spend a

1697
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:30,799
lot of time

1698
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,480
investigating a claim that appears in

1699
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,480
the

1700
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,520
cia's files on remote viewing it was

1701
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,400
claims that were made that ingo swann

1702
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:44,240
one of the rvs

1703
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,839
found a

1704
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:48,079
secret base in

1705
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,359
a hillside

1706
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,440
in australia and a mountainside in the

1707
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:53,599
remote outback of australia

1708
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:54,640
and

1709
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:57,440
i spent ages going through defence

1710
01:02:03,029 --> 01:01:59,839
department files

1711
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,950
i still haven't been able to get out

1712
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:07,200
there and go and knock on doors because

1713
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:09,039
the only way the only way to investigate

1714
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,640
some of the stuff is to get on a plane

1715
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,880
and you know

1716
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:15,359
the travels involved in going across the

1717
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,160
outback are just immense you know it

1718
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:20,240
takes a good takes a good day to get to

1719
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,920
central australia and then you've got to

1720
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:23,760
hire a four-wheel drive it gets very

1721
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,160
expensive but yeah there's there's stuff

1722
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,720
that's been alleged in

1723
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,960
remote viewing documents from the

1724
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,520
stargate program that the cia ran that

1725
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,760
alleged that there were supposedly

1726
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,839
secret bases in um

1727
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:39,760
in australia and if i had the resources

1728
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:42,079
i would hop on a plane and hire a

1729
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,079
four-wheel drive and

1730
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,760
take a couple of ex-military mates with

1731
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,680
me who know how to look after yourself

1732
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:49,280
in the outback and go and have a bloody

1733
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,640
good look but

1734
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:51,920
frankly

1735
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:55,359
if this technology is capable of doing

1736
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,200
what it's alleged it's capable of doing

1737
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:01,760
by definition if it can warp space-time

1738
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,720
if it can literally move through

1739
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,880
solid mediums like water there is a

1740
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,559
question mark in my mind does that mean

1741
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,000
that it's capable of moving through

1742
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:11,760
physical objects like mountains or

1743
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,559
volcanoes you know if we are talking you

1744
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,599
know even hypothetically if you indulge

1745
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,359
the whim of taking seriously for a

1746
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,280
moment the fact that somebody has

1747
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:24,400
allegedly remote viewed a a site

1748
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,000
you know what evidence would there be

1749
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:27,920
how can you even begin to investigate

1750
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,440
that i i don't know how one can uh

1751
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,799
and um

1752
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,039
that's the dilemma here is that you know

1753
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:37,920
for example if these objects are

1754
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:40,880
hidden in noa files you know detected

1755
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,520
30 000 feet under the ocean how the hell

1756
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,119
would we ever prove that i mean we can't

1757
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:47,760
even find mh370 four kilometers down in

1758
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:51,039
the indian ocean yeah very true

1759
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,720
yeah great point well listen ross we've

1760
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,880
just hit the hour mark so i won't keep

1761
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,079
you too long if you could hang about

1762
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,000
just to have a little debrief after we

1763
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,960
we ended live um so one last thing is

1764
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,559
what can we expect to see from ross

1765
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:04,559
coulthart in 2022

1766
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,000
new book um

1767
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,240
i don't oh god no that would be my worst

1768
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,480
nightmare i mean it's funny even though

1769
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,480
uh one debunker took a swipe at me the

1770
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:13,839
other day for saying i've had this

1771
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,400
incredible volume of response i i have

1772
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,720
had i have never in my journalistic

1773
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,119
career have had the level of response

1774
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:24,240
that i've had to this issue um

1775
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,520
and i i

1776
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:26,880
frankly i kind of there's part of me

1777
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,960
that wishes the mainstream media don't

1778
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:30,880
start engaging with the subject matter

1779
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,440
because at the moment it's it's a really

1780
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:35,760
good gig it's a fascinating area to get

1781
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:38,319
into and i'm very very grateful

1782
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,760
to all the people who are getting in

1783
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,440
touch with me and who have got in touch

1784
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,440
with me uh

1785
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,559
because there's just the most

1786
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:46,319
extraordinary information coming in the

1787
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,359
door

1788
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,160
but in recognition of the importance in

1789
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,160
many cases of protecting the anonymity

1790
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,319
of those sources and and in terms of

1791
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:56,640
verifying and corroborating and checking

1792
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:58,160
out what they're telling me

1793
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:01,599
it's going to take a while and i i need

1794
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,480
help

1795
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,839
and

1796
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,799
i'm

1797
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:06,000
thinking of

1798
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,920
doing some collaborative work with some

1799
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:09,839
people at the moment where i'd be able

1800
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:12,400
to work more efficiently

1801
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,280
um i'll probably be making more

1802
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:16,880
documentaries

1803
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,359
i'll certainly i'll certainly be writing

1804
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:20,799
and

1805
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:24,400
flag this now is i'm going to be

1806
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,559
stepping back a little bit from

1807
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:28,480
speaking so much on

1808
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,160
line i just don't have time uh i mean

1809
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,960
it's it's so busy i mean i woke up this

1810
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,039
morning and there were i kid you not i

1811
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,440
think it was

1812
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,160
it would be over 250 new emails in my

1813
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,720
inbox since seven o'clock last night

1814
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,880
wow and and then when i go on ufo

1815
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,520
twitter there's probably the same

1816
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,920
quantity again and messages on my on my

1817
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,839
twitter handle and a lot of them are

1818
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:55,440
people wanting to get in touch they're

1819
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,319
offering information i just get so many

1820
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,119
sightings videos like maybe 30 or 40

1821
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:03,280
sightings videos a day and

1822
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,839
i'm not being dismissive but

1823
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:07,200
what do you mean to do with those you

1824
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,799
know if somebody sends you a blurry

1825
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:10,480
image of something that's five miles

1826
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:12,720
away in the sky

1827
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,480
it's just not very helpful uh i i don't

1828
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:18,480
know what to do with it and

1829
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,680
you know what i'm really hoping is

1830
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:23,839
what i'm now finding i'm starting to get

1831
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,079
that i can get into

1832
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,559
really good data analysis like one of

1833
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:30,640
the things that i did very early on in

1834
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:32,720
my research was i solicited i actually

1835
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,160
hired people

1836
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:36,559
to help me compile

1837
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:38,319
the best

1838
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,680
videos

1839
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:42,240
from all of the major countries in the

1840
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,280
world

1841
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,880
and i do i've got a

1842
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:47,760
i've got a computer dropbox full of

1843
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,039
literally thousands of um

1844
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,359
videos from all over the world of

1845
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,319
sightings and i've i've been thinking

1846
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,880
there has to be a way of

1847
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,720
sorting out the wheat from the chef you

1848
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,160
know there has to be a way of

1849
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,240
scientifically analyzing those and

1850
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,000
seeing if there's any modalities or

1851
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,200
commonalities that can be can be used

1852
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,440
you know i i guess i'm what i'm saying

1853
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,480
is i want 2022 to be more scientific

1854
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:16,960
i've spent much of 2021 just dealing

1855
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,640
with the overwhelming volume of response

1856
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,799
i mean it's really heartening i love it

1857
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:23,920
because

1858
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,400
um again i got a bollocking from some

1859
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,559
twerk on um

1860
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:30,960
social media yesterday because i said

1861
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:33,119
you know it's crack cocaine for people

1862
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,240
it is

1863
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,240
you know and i don't i make no apologies

1864
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,520
for that because

1865
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,520
you know i'm proud of the fact that my

1866
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,359
stories are being watched by people that

1867
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:43,760
they're being engaged with by people i

1868
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,280
love the fact that people are really

1869
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:47,200
interested in this subject matter and i

1870
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,799
can tell you i'm not making money from

1871
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:50,480
it it's it's not a

1872
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,480
it's not a remunerative enterprise at

1873
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,119
least not at the moment

1874
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,960
uh basically i could make a lot more

1875
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:58,960
just being a full-time mainstream media

1876
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,119
reporter but it's fun and it's

1877
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,839
interesting and and i find it intensely

1878
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:05,119
rewarding

1879
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:06,480
to be

1880
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,920
on top of

1881
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,640
what i think is the biggest story of the

1882
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:11,599
moment

1883
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,319
and it might take a year it might take

1884
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,239
five years but at some stage the rest of

1885
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,920
the mainstream media is going to catch

1886
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,880
up but in the meantime

1887
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:22,080
loving it

1888
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:22,880
good

1889
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,440
end the interview right now thank you to

1890
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,440
everybody that's donated quick shout out

1891
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:31,440
to my good friend chris leto for the

1892
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,799
super sticker hope you're doing good

1893
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,040
chris and for everyone else that's asked

1894
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,120
great questions um i really really

1895
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:39,440
appreciate the continued support i am

1896
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,279
back on monday with john alexander so be

1897
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:45,279
sure to uh to come and check that one

1898
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,560
out and then later in the week on

1899
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:48,480
thursday dr david clarke where we will

1900
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:51,920
be discussing project condyne and di55

1901
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,319
so look out on my social medias for all

1902
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,480
the information but for now guys enjoy